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Jana

Mathieu

 

What are your future expectations? What is your career plan?

Well, for me that’s separate into short term and long term

So short term, when I finish my Master’s thesis in march hopefully (laugh) ; march 2019 i will start my Ph D. program at my University, in april. So it’s already fixed and it is plan for two years of Ph D. studing. So, it’s more or less the short term plan and … I don’t know if… I take two years, maybe three or four years depending on how fast, you know, I’m able to publish the required papers ; and after that I really don’t know (laugh).

Okay, but your Ph. D. it’s two years, not three ?

The aimed is to be done in two years, like the contract that I’ve currently or that I will have with the university is for two years. And the professor says I will not have to teach anything, is just Ph D and publishing for Ph. D. and he would like that I’m done in two years

And your future plans, in long term ?

I would like to lead some kind of … like … ideally the company I think that would be really interesting, really fun. Or lead people some kind of way, so be a manager, CIO of some kind of smart medium enterprise. I think that would be really interesting but probably is not during the next 15/20 years that i will be able to …

It’s very very far …

Yes because it’s two or three years structures degree and you have to get into a company and rise to the ranks. So I guess ten, five to ten years. I don’t know really (laugh)

So you want study social psychology for your future career plan ? It is related to social psychology or not ?

It is, in a way, related to social psychology so, what I would do in my Ph D is economics, behavior economic. So that kind of is, probably more related to social psychology than it is to, for example, I/O psychology the way it may help some relation with that but for me, I/O psychology is more about the person in the company. Social psychology is more about network of people been in a social context. So behavior economics in though, it is kind related to organization psychology i see more I/O psychology field. Since it is question like a what motivates people to investment in certain company or what makes CIO successful, in term of general personality or whatever how risk taking… So is more I/O psychology but is related to social psychology yes.

Why did you come to France to study psychology?

A couple of reasons. It isn’t (…) it is not related to Ph D. It is firstly related to learn french because I have in school but I’m not able to speak it very well. (laugh) That is the reaction of most french people though. I’m not sure this is just been polite (laugh).  

No, No, No, you speak very well french.

Thank you. So it’s the first reason, the second one … regular study time in Germany is four semester which is the same for the master’s degree. But I need a semester more, so I need a fifth semester to finish my master thesis and going abroad was just a good excuse to take that time for the thesis. So it’s that why I go abroad in a first place and the language was the decision for France. And Nantes for me is that part interesting because I’m able to take clinic and I/O psychology courses here and focus on cognitive and behavior therapy which I think one of the more interesting and more useful type of therapy ; which can also be used in company context.

You can take all programs, problematical in companies with the therapy and the interaction between individuals and environment ; in the company

Yes, ly all the part. 

Are you going to do an internship this year? But i think you will say me no. An internship this year is complicated…

Yes… (laugh). I am currently … well it’s a bit complicated, so I still have need of an internship so i’m taking a long distance with the company. I’ve been working for in the past.

In Germany ?

In Germany yes. It’s a management consulting firm which focuses on culture trainer and companies. So for example if you want to (…) if you introduce a new information system, the people have to work with. How do you get people to work with that ? Or you want to change management practices or you have a murger of two companies coming together, how do you manage this situation. You know, it’s work two companies become one

Okay, it’s passation of companies … the fusion, foundation between two companies in one company. But your internship consist to give advices at these companies, or … helping them.

Basically, they have a project where they have a hotel company which is classically very hierarchical. So you’ve got the boss and you’ve got the leadership and you have people doing staff. You know? So it’s very hierarchical. So they want to change that to a company where which is kind of laterally distributed. So it’s not you’ve got the boss and you’ve got people but is more you’ve got people together manage the company. The kind of change process is what they try to guide and I’m involved with, in term of research, in term of findings information how that could be done, and what kind of elements …

It’s a new style of management 

It’s very new yes

I don’t know that… I think it’s a liberal management, liberated management…

Could be. This is the favour company, one of the most large French style company. FAVI. If you interested in it, they have, basically the structure we want you to introduce into the hotel.

Okay but it’s a french model ?

Yes (laugh). It speaking french some dutch companies and we are very strong in it but it’s american companies, the sociocraty, I think is more american. So I don’t know very well the originary.

I think it’s very future approach to management because the work become complex, become more and more complicated. It is, following me, it is almost impossible to have one person of top of everything.

Do you want to travel in other countries? For your job ?

I have traveled a lot… I’ve calculed, I’m 26 now. In since I was 18 I have spent five years abroad in Perou, Netherland, in Wales, now in France. So ..

You have a lot traveled

Yes, I think we have happy to return in Germany, you know be there …

Ok, so I finish my questions … so if you can ask me now.

Yes of course, so the first one is “Why did you choose psychology in a first place?

At the beginning, psychology wasn’t my first choice. I want to study in economic. So I have do one years in psychology because I don’t have taken in economic. After one years of psychology, I was decided to stay in psychology because it’s very interesting discipline …and I continue, and I’m here now…

I like psychology in general but I prefer social psychology because I love understand the individuals in their environment… I prefer to understand individual in his environment and not just individual like in clinical psychology.

So it is the dynamic between individual and the group. Or dynamic between individuals?

Individual and the groups but also the group in his environment. Because context is primordial … very important for understand the cognitive effects, the mechanisms

Yep, okay.

So it’s like sociology. I hesitated to choice sociology but my professor in last year of high school say me “sociology is very very difficult so you don’t able to success”. I choice psychology but I d’ont regret.

And what motivates you today to keep studying psychology? Basically what change?

The money perspective (laugh). No it’s very … Psychology allows me to understand me and others and …this comprehension … I don’t found her in another discipline. It’s really a something capital for me..

That you learned something about yourself? And the same time, you learned something about the world or ….

Hum, it’s difficult question…

I’m sorry (laugh)

No … it’s really for me… Understand the way to respond at the different context, the different environment but it’s also rely to the world, the way of people interact with the environment, the other people also…

I’m completely agree with you ; like the dynamic ..

Yes, interaction between different subjects…

That it’s what fascinates me about psychology, I really agree with you there (laugh)

There are always a new things about the individuals that I learn all days. I learned new things … just like the last classroom, in English, where I learned that student … first generation of student … it’s the first student in their family who came in the university. And she (the first generation) the “bias“ … I don’t found the term … it’s a bad experience because she has not .. She felling not at her place… it’s very interesting that people can felling not at their place. So it’s old people can access at university. It’s a right, a right for us … for all of us.

Yep in the same time when you don’t have an academic background, when your parents didn’t come to university it’s super difficult to feel … you know… because we are socialize in our families, we learn staff in our families enough … if your parents haven’t an experience of university, you’ve never learned what that like..

Yes, we don’t have the codes…

Yeah, the codes, the skill, the expectations … it’s super interesting

Place Psychology makes good parties stories.. When you are at party … from psychology it’s the best parties stories. When you just tell anecdote about we’re staff or dynamic group (laugh)

Ah your study individuals in parties?

No it’s more you sitting at a party with someone and you don’t know talk about because you don’t know that person well “did you known … “(laugh)

Okay

“did you also know that ?” you can stay all night .. all right ..

There is a lot of things about psychology …

Yeah and it fascinating everybody

Yes but … it’s because studies touch everyone, it’s in our life all time

Absolutely yes… So my third question is “Where do you see yourself in 10 years?”

In 10 years?

How old have you be in 10 years?

32 years old. I see me in south of France, with a big house and a big garden… A big house by the sea but at professional level I don’t know if I (will) have a job rely to psychology but I know that psychology will help me a lot in my future life. But as I say is … Social Psychology is present all time in our life and she is very … it’s something capital, primordial for me … and … So I don’t know …

If you can dream, be whatever…

Hum.. to be rich (laugh) no, I don’t think at what I will been in ten years… I lives really day for day… Not really day for day but I lives in short term. I don’t have a view at long term

So, in a short term (laugh) When you finish your master after this semester..

I have an internship the next semester. I do this internship in … healthy service for the work, the employees, various structures and I think… I hope to stay in this health service but I don’t previous if this structure will engage me for the next years or not but… it will be a great experience, I think, and I think I will be in advices for companies but I prefer be external at the enterprise for not be change by the corporation yes.

So more free lancing consulting?

No. it’s be external at the company but attached at the service… the health services. It’s structures present in France to help companies in the thematic of healthy work.

Okay, I hope that it walk for you. So I don’t know if you want respond at

Oh yes yes

It’s for my curiosity because I’m curious about childhood memories… so what is your earliest one?

My earliest one… It’s not easy because I think … My earliest childhood that I can remember is that I go at school for the first time, the preschool

What age? Three, four?

Three or four … I don’t know. I think four … No, no, no three.

The school it was in front of my grandparent’s house. I don’t like school at this age, I hate that and at the recreation I ran to the grids and I hope to see my grandmother for she come take me home (laugh). So I stayed all the recreation at this grids. I hope but my grandmothers is never come.

Is it a sad memory?

Yes but no. I’m joking with that is … 

And when you remember that, you remember first person or you look that on yourself?

I’m look one myself yes.

Thank you for sharing

You study memories?

No, it’s.. I’m curious … because there is a theory that claims that first childhood memory shape our current the way we are in kind of ; indicate what we need to be happy. And what we cannot want out of life… I’m not really sure is that works because it’s … there is so much happens between … but in the same time the question remains why do you retains some staff from your childhood and not others. What makes this moment so special and remember it 23 years later. So it just super interesting.

I spoke if earliest childhood memory at my friends in this td, in my class and they told me “oh but earliest childhood memory, I don’t know, is very very far … I’m not able to give precisely a memory…”

And that is most of the time the reaction I get. And when you wait, in silence, give at the person the time of think about it, immediately memory ????(34’10) but it isn’t important if it’s… many people say “I don’t know”  “it from a photo or something like that” it doesn’t matter why do you remember that, and what is important is what you remember…

Is really why which important?

It’s the content, what happens in that memory and so less if it’s a photo or age or…  if you not sure that really happen or somebody told you that doesn’t matter. What I interest was the content, what happened.  We can imagine the person that I meet today you know…

Okay.

The most is curiosity about other people (laugh)

It’s very interesting.

And brakes the grids. If you shared a memory like that, after that you are close friends (laugh)

OH it’s very smart (laugh)